Second Thoughts | Why Playing It Safe Won’t Change the World
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The Cost of Indifference Series: Episode 6
Previous episode: Sheltered by Similarity | How to Tell if You're in a Bubble with Shannon and David Steeves https://journey-with-care.captivate.fm/episode/s04e05/
Description
Is familiarity, not fear, what's holding us back from true change?
Wendi Park and Johan Heinrichs dive into this thought-provoking idea while reflecting on their conversation with David and Shannon Steeves. They discuss the richness that comes from stepping outside comfort zones and embracing diversity, drawing from Johan's personal experiences in culturally varied communities and Wendi's encounters in the Middle East. The conversation challenges listeners to break out of echo chambers and engage with different perspectives and communities, emphasizing that growth and love flourish through discomfort.
Time Stamps
[00:00] Confronting Cultural Insularity
[05:43] Celebrating Diversity and Unity
[08:07] Embracing Intentional Diversity
[11:54] Middle East Peace Mediation Journey
[15:19] Breaking Church Echo Chambers
[19:43] "The Jesus Way: Civil Discourse"
[21:09] Care Lingo TBRI
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We can be with people that don't look like us, and we can even get
Speaker:accusations from others thinking, oh, look who she's associating or he's associating
Speaker:with. We can do that. That is the Jesus way. That
Speaker:is how we are going to see growth within the church. Because we're all
Speaker:in really big trouble if Jesus only served people he agreed
Speaker:with. Mhmm. This is Journey with
Speaker:Care, a podcast by Care Impact where curious Canadians find
Speaker:inspiration to love others well through real life stories and
Speaker:honest conversations.
Speaker:What if the biggest thing holding us back isn't fear, but
Speaker:familiarity? What if staying in our comfort zone
Speaker:keeps us from fully living out our faith? We're in our
Speaker:second thoughts episode, Wendy. We are having a conversation about our
Speaker:previous conversation with David and Shannon Steeves. After
Speaker:our talk, I kept coming back to this. What are we missing when we only
Speaker:surround ourselves with people who think like us, worship like us, or
Speaker:live like us? And maybe more importantly, how do we break out of those
Speaker:bubbles? So, you wanna kick off this conversation,
Speaker:our second thoughts episode, which if you're new to this podcast,
Speaker:we're reflecting on our previous conversation wanting to take the content a little bit
Speaker:deeper. Maybe having those conversations we can't have in front of our guests. I don't
Speaker:know. What a conversation it really
Speaker:was. David and Shannon were a delight to have. A young married couple,
Speaker:very diverse. Talk about bursting bubbles, getting out of comfort
Speaker:zones. Bubbles were popping all over in their story,
Speaker:Johan, in the way they found each other, as an
Speaker:American and Canadian, but David coming from two cultures
Speaker:prior, three cultures, and and you'll have to pick up their story to to catch
Speaker:the details. And Shannon and David, how they're working through their
Speaker:marriage, how they're working through denominationalism and
Speaker:different thoughts, and even Shannon as she's taken on a role on our
Speaker:team, crossing the the barriers between social services
Speaker:and the most vulnerable people in our city of Winnipeg and
Speaker:the local churches. We could pick on so many areas of
Speaker:their story to say, oh, that's what it means to step out of your
Speaker:comfort zone. But, Johan, what did you get out of it? It made me
Speaker:think a little bit about my upbringing. We moved from Saskatchewan to
Speaker:Winnipeg, and my dad actually pastored, I like to say,
Speaker:a Jamaican black church even though my dad's a white,
Speaker:Pentecostal evangelical guy. But our church mostly
Speaker:consisted of a black community. It brought us some of those thoughts,
Speaker:and even when they got into talking about their different church
Speaker:experiences, I thought about, hey, what are my church experiences and what
Speaker:are the things I've brought with me to the new church expressions and the new
Speaker:jobs that I've had. Just really sitting with that, it's like, what have I brought
Speaker:with me that I've changed, I've adjusted things I don't wanna keep, things
Speaker:I I wanna hold on to? Yeah. I think we often don't even
Speaker:realize how insular our thinking is
Speaker:until we've crossed different thresholds where we've had to stretch our
Speaker:own imagination for how life actually operates. Sharing my
Speaker:experience, I grew up white Mennonite, very
Speaker:isolated, monocultural, I would say, for the most
Speaker:part. But being introduced as a young child into different
Speaker:cultures but even still, I I was still the person in power.
Speaker:My culture dominated the the room. And it it's taken
Speaker:me on a journey when I was going in South America and Middle East and
Speaker:just being the minority, but still realizing I'm carrying
Speaker:a certain assigned power I didn't like. I felt discomforted by
Speaker:I was also assaulted day after day with things that annoyed me, and I
Speaker:didn't understand the culture to, now in my own
Speaker:family being the only white Mennonite cultured
Speaker:person around our table and still realizing
Speaker:there's still things within me that I need to confront.
Speaker:It's not to say that my upbringing is bad. I have a lot to
Speaker:add value into conversation, but realizing that
Speaker:my way isn't the only way. How about you, Johan? My
Speaker:thinking is different. I can't go back to that girl that was five years old
Speaker:in Altona, Manitoba in kindergarten. I I can't be
Speaker:that person anymore. Because when you enter into different
Speaker:cultures, entered into different denominations, and things like that,
Speaker:it changes you, I would like to say for the better.
Speaker:What what are your thoughts, going through different cultural experiences?
Speaker:Yeah. I mean, again, when we were in Saskatchewan, my dad was pastoring
Speaker:an indigenous church. So most of our community was indigenous. It wasn't officially
Speaker:indigenous, but that's the people that he had. And then we moved to Winnipeg, and
Speaker:it was a Jamaican church. So two very different cultural
Speaker:expressions with my white dad pastoring. So
Speaker:I I grew up with different cultural experiences and, like, even
Speaker:when David talked about I think about these different cultural experiences and I
Speaker:want to learn from each of them and bring the
Speaker:good with me. Just realizing that
Speaker:that Christianity, the kingdom isn't a Western
Speaker:religion that we've kinda grown up in, And realizing there's
Speaker:many different expressions and many different ways to worship
Speaker:and different communities, I I just love I
Speaker:love that fabric that the Lord weaves us in it, and there's not one right
Speaker:one. It's like that fragrance going before heaven of
Speaker:worship. God wants all the different fragrances. It'll
Speaker:be really boring if it if it all smelled the same, if it all sounded
Speaker:the same. So I I just really think bringing in all these
Speaker:different expressions are is just a representation of what the
Speaker:lord has in store for us when we get to heaven. Absolutely.
Speaker:I I think one of the things that I took away from our last interview
Speaker:with Shannon and David and from our own experiences that we've discussed
Speaker:over coffee is that there is such richness
Speaker:in diversity. In different ethnic diversities,
Speaker:in different denominations, we get to encounter one of the
Speaker:things I love about my job is I get to sit around tables that
Speaker:are Baptist, Pentecostal, Vineyard,
Speaker:Catholic, diocese. They're so and, like,
Speaker:sitting around different nucleus of tables that often
Speaker:think alike for the most part, that that's what unites them
Speaker:together. But being able to be sort of a neuron between
Speaker:cells sitting at different tables and celebrating the
Speaker:diversity, and that could go with cultural groups too. There's a
Speaker:a a quote. I think it's a bit adapted, but from Henry now, and
Speaker:he talks about diversity and how can we love
Speaker:across diversity. And he says something like this. Love begins when
Speaker:we risk being known by people who are different than us.
Speaker:And I think that's important. Like, it's not just about having a
Speaker:parade of diversity as if that becomes our goal,
Speaker:our end goal. But what does it mean to actually love
Speaker:another person, not just in my image or what how they fit
Speaker:into my world, but how do we actually just show up at the
Speaker:table and love each other in our diversity,
Speaker:but we have to get away from just simply our own
Speaker:kind, the places where we feel comfortable,
Speaker:but sitting within diversity. Yeah.
Speaker:Getting uncomfortable. Right? Mhmm. Yeah. I think we need to put
Speaker:ourselves in uncomfortable situations in in order to learn how to do
Speaker:that, get out of those comfort zones, to be able to learn how to love
Speaker:people properly. I mean, I've had the privilege of growing up where
Speaker:my parents fostered over 50 kids, different diverse
Speaker:backgrounds, all sorts of cultural backgrounds. So I've had to learn
Speaker:to love and live with different cultures and different
Speaker:expressions and whole different lifestyles, but not everybody
Speaker:has that opportunity. Sometimes we're stuck in those echo chambers
Speaker:where the person sitting beside us is very much like
Speaker:us. So how do we get churches out of their
Speaker:comfort zone and how do we get them learning to love these other
Speaker:diverse expressions? I know our society,
Speaker:we often find ourself with like minded people
Speaker:who think like us, who worship like us, and and and it's very easy by
Speaker:default we wanna find. I think there's a sense of security and
Speaker:camaraderie in that, but I think we have to be intentional.
Speaker:There's no one in Canada that can say, oh, I don't have
Speaker:the opportunity for diversity. We have to be
Speaker:intentional about seeing other people as our
Speaker:neighbor. We have to see that other person and not just be blocked out
Speaker:by fear. What if they don't like me or what if we don't think alike?
Speaker:God invites us into those places, and and we
Speaker:have nothing to fear in creating space
Speaker:around our table. And also not just waiting for people to come to
Speaker:us, but going into circles, being intentional, being a humble
Speaker:presence, in these places, not to assimilate and pretend, oh, now
Speaker:I'm Jamaican or now I'm South American from the
Speaker:from Bolivia, for example. But I can live within among
Speaker:them and learn different ways and practices and
Speaker:world views and learn to appreciate the
Speaker:other. So why do we build up these
Speaker:bubbles if it's keeping us from diverse experiences that
Speaker:could potentially be exciting? I would say we probably, deep
Speaker:down inside, fear discomfort.
Speaker:Like, who really wants to be discomforted. Right? We
Speaker:want something that's familiar. We want something that's
Speaker:safe, but it really challenges our
Speaker:security. But I believe that if we are secure in Christ, if
Speaker:our attachment is securely rooted in Christ, who by
Speaker:very nature of coming out of his comfort
Speaker:showed us the way of discomfort. He was always
Speaker:breaking social bubbles. If you you look through scripture, he
Speaker:was eating with outsiders. He was talking to the marginalized. He was challenging
Speaker:power struggles and structures within
Speaker:society, and we are invited to
Speaker:that. But I think we we've got to get through
Speaker:that notion of feeling safe
Speaker:is where god is. No. Actually, God is on the margins.
Speaker:And so if we wanna find Jesus, it's like Matthew 25.
Speaker:When did you see me hungry? When did you see me in prison? Who wants
Speaker:to be among the hungry? Who wants to go into prison? I've I've volunteered
Speaker:there. It's not a a most comforting place. But
Speaker:Jesus says, that's where I'm found. And often we're looking
Speaker:for Jesus in the clubhouse, in the church, where we
Speaker:feel safe, where we we have safe theology. We use a lot of
Speaker:safety talk. And our god is not safe. We know
Speaker:from Aslan. Right? But he is good. But I think we know
Speaker:inherently that going through uncomfortable experiences
Speaker:actually helps us to grow. It's like, why do we choose certain
Speaker:experiences to say, you know what, I wanna stay comfortable in this
Speaker:area. I don't really wanna grow in this area. So I think maybe
Speaker:maybe the question is what areas do I wanna grow? And
Speaker:then you take the answer to that question and say, okay, what areas do I
Speaker:need to get uncomfortable in order to do that? Mhmm. So like, do we wanna
Speaker:grow spiritually? Okay. What's gonna make you uncomfortable? How are you gonna grow
Speaker:spiritually? Because you learn from being uncomfortable and you
Speaker:learn from mistakes and taking risks. But it seems like
Speaker:we're not willing to do that in in so many areas. Yeah. And so
Speaker:that is an invitation. People will have different kinds of
Speaker:invitations right around them what that looks like. I
Speaker:couldn't tell every listener, do this x, y, and
Speaker:z, and then you are gonna grow, or then you are gonna be more open
Speaker:minded, or you're going to love others better. Yeah. It looks
Speaker:different for all of us. Right? It it is different. I I know one of
Speaker:the times, if I can share, I was invited to go to The Middle
Speaker:East on a peace mediation delegation tour. Now that
Speaker:was a a learning opportunity that I had when I was in seminary. I
Speaker:wanted to get out of the classroom because, like, I can read textbooks. I can
Speaker:talk to theologians in tweed suits, but I actually wanted to
Speaker:be in the Israel, in Palestine to see what has
Speaker:actually happened. I I went there on a biblical, like, quest to
Speaker:understand the Bible better, but I also wanted to understand in my global
Speaker:studies what is actually happening on the ground. And so I
Speaker:left my textbooks behind. I packed my little backpack and
Speaker:went there, one summer from peace mediation. And and I did
Speaker:some some touring on my own. And this is during an era
Speaker:when there were and still is it's not tour season right
Speaker:now, and it wasn't back then either. There's always wars, and
Speaker:and that was a really, time of unrest. And
Speaker:I sat down with soldier Israeli soldiers and had
Speaker:conversations with them. I stayed with a Palestinian family in
Speaker:the West Bank and and learned their stories. I got to
Speaker:visit with a family that was grieving because they had just
Speaker:lost their son and their brother and their uncle. He was a suicide
Speaker:bomber. I talked with a family who lost their
Speaker:son, a Palestinian boy getting bread and was shot,
Speaker:by snipers. I also went into settlements and Jewish
Speaker:settlements that had taken over the land. I sat with Christians and
Speaker:a huge uprising of church believers within the Palestinian. I
Speaker:sat with them, and I also on the Israeli, the the messianic
Speaker:Christians and Jews. That was my purpose, to sit with
Speaker:and have chai. Boy, did I learn to love chai. I came
Speaker:away from that experience, though, seeing Jesus
Speaker:in each one of them. And now when I look in the news, I know
Speaker:they they love to do black and white. This is what is right. If you're
Speaker:gonna be good, do the it's always more complicated. And I think
Speaker:it starts with a thousand cups of chai
Speaker:of just sitting and listening and hearing and
Speaker:relating. And I feel that Jesus taught me
Speaker:that. In the Garden Of Gethsemane, I was literally there talking
Speaker:with people. And that's what what Jesus was teaching me and
Speaker:inviting me to. And I can tell you, I learned a lot
Speaker:more out of that peace mediation delegation trip. I wasn't there bringing peace. I
Speaker:didn't obviously, there's still like, I couldn't be the hero there.
Speaker:We we really need the Lord as hero there. But listening,
Speaker:it was very transformative for my life.
Speaker:Yeah. And this series is called the cost of indifference. So I was thinking about,
Speaker:okay, what's the cost of not having these diverse experiences?
Speaker:And again, it comes down to growth, I believe. Mhmm. It's like a
Speaker:plant in soil. If it sits in that same soil for too
Speaker:long, it has used up all those nutrients and there's nothing
Speaker:new coming into it. Right? Yeah. That's why so many farmers use
Speaker:crop rotation or they use diff they do different crops every year because it
Speaker:needs new nutrients in that soil, new experiences to be
Speaker:able to grow and be healthy. So I think the cost of
Speaker:indifference in in not diversifying and not getting
Speaker:these new experiences, not getting uncomfortable is gonna be lack
Speaker:of growth. You're gonna be stagnant. You're gonna be stuck in that
Speaker:echo chamber and not and not grow. Let's land the plane a little bit on
Speaker:that. I like what you're saying there, but how do we help churches
Speaker:get out of echo chambers and yet still hold their distinctives? And and we're
Speaker:not asking churches to change their theologies or their practices,
Speaker:but to grow and to create room for others in the community.
Speaker:How do we actually do that? Because there's a bit
Speaker:of territorialism around, well, this is what we believe.
Speaker:And yet, can I just be honest with you? The more I'm in
Speaker:different denominations and and around the tables, I love them
Speaker:all. But when we we stay within our denominations
Speaker:and we only affirm each other based on what we all believe
Speaker:to be true and we don't expand out and and we don't
Speaker:have room for listening to other perspectives. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker:I've done homeschooling out of necessity too, but we become a bunch of denominational
Speaker:homeschoolers. We don't get out. It it becomes insular,
Speaker:and we start acting weird in community. We start saying things that
Speaker:are destructive, not because I I don't think any denomination
Speaker:wants to be a bigot, but it sure sounds a lot like
Speaker:that. It sure sounds offensive, or it sure sounds territorial.
Speaker:It sure sounds, like a power struggle when it comes out
Speaker:because we're not necessarily in touch. We don't necessarily translate. And and
Speaker:I'm not saying denominations are bad. I think there's actually beauty in
Speaker:diversity. But there is a huge danger, and I
Speaker:see that played out. And the cost of indifference
Speaker:is in the community, not necessarily within the club around that table.
Speaker:People are will affirm each other. There's confirmation bias. We're like, oh,
Speaker:wow. We're we're we're endorsing certain behaviors and
Speaker:beliefs and even vocabulary that just don't translate
Speaker:into community. I don't think Jesus would have necessarily talked
Speaker:like that with the good Samaritan. I think there's a few things that we can
Speaker:do. I keep in thinking about church leaders. First of all,
Speaker:get around a table and have conversations like this
Speaker:about stuff. Mhmm. But the other thing, like, do what Jesus did and
Speaker:serve one another. It's not necessarily about, you know what, let's
Speaker:be ecumenical, let's do this unity thing and all get
Speaker:together and just worship together, but actually
Speaker:wash the feet of another pastor that you don't necessarily
Speaker:agree with or you don't have the same theology with. Like, let's learn
Speaker:to serve one another. And I think that that getting
Speaker:low, like, that's that's what's gonna cause
Speaker:transformation because that's what Jesus did.
Speaker:Yeah. And and we can learn from each other without losing our
Speaker:identity. I know my theology gets challenged every time
Speaker:I can get and my worldview gets challenged every time I
Speaker:encounter other people. That doesn't mean I just assimilate, and now all
Speaker:of a sudden now I have that theology. I think if we're
Speaker:rooted in Christ, the holy spirit can navigate that for
Speaker:us. He can be trusted in those situations. We're we're not gonna get cooties
Speaker:because we work alongside another denomination
Speaker:that thinks maybe vastly and polar opposite than we do on a
Speaker:certain issue. It's when we idolize those issues, those
Speaker:theologies, those doctrines that we wanna fight for, we
Speaker:miss out. The indifference there is that we miss out on
Speaker:serving the other, serving each other, and loving each other, the
Speaker:person that we disagree with. But, ultimately, the vulnerable
Speaker:person, they don't get served because we're too consumed
Speaker:with trying to set the world straight to think like us,
Speaker:to behave like us, rather than working together.
Speaker:And we gotta get over ourselves saying, you know what? If I serve this person,
Speaker:other people might think I agree with him. We don't need we don't need to
Speaker:agree with someone to serve them. We just need to love them and
Speaker:get to know them a little bit. And I think then the differences
Speaker:don't matter so much because we've seen the person that Jesus
Speaker:sees. Amen to that. I I know I've been challenged
Speaker:by people to say, k. Wendy, you're you're going to government
Speaker:table. You're you're you're working with organizations that are not
Speaker:not necessarily faith based. You're working with that denomination. Do you
Speaker:know what they believe? Several times, I have the burn marks and the scar marks
Speaker:to prove it. I've been burned at the stake for those things, but I will
Speaker:always side for the vulnerable. And it and it doesn't change who
Speaker:I am and who I believe god to be, but there's always a sense of
Speaker:mystery. There's always a sense of wonder. I don't have the corner on religion,
Speaker:but God sure does. He can be trusted. It's not fun to
Speaker:stick your neck out. However, I believe that's the
Speaker:Jesus way has always had us to be with
Speaker:the vulnerable, to sit in discomfort, to
Speaker:have conversations and learn to have civil conversations. And now in
Speaker:a a political time where we're we're hard pressed to find
Speaker:civil conversations. Right? But we're challenged to love the
Speaker:other, to have civil discourse, not always agreeing,
Speaker:with the other, and that's how we can grow together. But if at the
Speaker:bottom line is that we're gonna love them no matter what, it
Speaker:changes the outcome. We can do hard things. We can have hard conversations. We
Speaker:can sit in discomfort. We can be with people that don't look like us, and
Speaker:we can even get accusations from others thinking, oh, look who she's associate or
Speaker:he's associating with. We can do that. That is the Jesus
Speaker:way. That is how we are going to see growth within the church.
Speaker:Because we're all in really big trouble if Jesus only served
Speaker:people he agreed with. Mhmm. Let's land on the listener
Speaker:challenge for this week then. So think of someone that you are very
Speaker:different from, whether it's theologically or even
Speaker:culturally, and think of a way that you can serve
Speaker:that person or organization. And and do it. At
Speaker:least do it once. Try it. And that's gonna be the challenge for this
Speaker:week. But now it's time for that Care lingo segment. Here we go.
Speaker:CareLingo. Today, I'm gonna choose an acronym that
Speaker:sometimes gets thrown around in caregiver talk,
Speaker:TBRI. So, Johan, can you tell
Speaker:me what you think of when I say the word TBRI? It's
Speaker:not that hard because I came onto the team a couple years ago now, and
Speaker:I kept hearing this term, and I had no idea what you guys were talking
Speaker:about in the middle of a conversation. So this is a good one for our
Speaker:listeners to hear because I think we've probably thrown around the podcast in
Speaker:previous episodes. I think so. Yeah. So
Speaker:in true Johan fashion, I got two options, I think. TBRI,
Speaker:if I was hearing it for the first time, I might think too
Speaker:busy, rarely involved. You know, in the caregiver space,
Speaker:sometimes you we get so busy, that we'd Like TMI.
Speaker:Too busy, rarely involved. It could be a good text. Yeah. Exactly. It's
Speaker:like Yeah. That guy is TBRI. He's too busy, rarely involved.
Speaker:What Care Impact's doing, you know? We don't want TBRI
Speaker:people, connected to Care Impact. Oh, no. That is
Speaker:not even straight. Yeah. And then there's
Speaker:the other one, TBRI. Totally burnt
Speaker:out running on instinct. Now I I
Speaker:sometimes relate to this one a little bit more. I'm not totally burnt out,
Speaker:but, you know, sometimes you get busier times, like Mhmm. When
Speaker:that when that next podcast episode is due and you haven't started the
Speaker:edit yet, I'm running on instinct. Just, you know, click, click, click, click, click,
Speaker:click, and this episode's getting out tomorrow no matter what. Yeah.
Speaker:Yes. So TBRI. So what is the real definition? Well, let me
Speaker:translate here for you. I can put it's something that I utilize all the
Speaker:time. It it it's a filter that I use and we use as a a
Speaker:team here at Caro Impact, but it refers to trust based
Speaker:relational intervention. So t, trust be
Speaker:based relational intervention. It comes out of the
Speaker:Karen Purvis Institute for Child Development. So, originally, this
Speaker:is a term TBI, trust based relational intervention was referred
Speaker:to child development, particularly with foster kids,
Speaker:kids coming from difficult places in in adoption and some
Speaker:beautiful training out of that. Some of our team members have that training.
Speaker:Also, is the basis for, trauma free world, which we are
Speaker:doing trauma care, training across Canada using
Speaker:TBRI. So it's a trauma informed approach that is
Speaker:designed to help people in hard places heal through
Speaker:connection. Relationships is so important, and empowering
Speaker:them. And and being able to redirect where they are going. It's
Speaker:going beyond the behavior looking what are the what's behind the
Speaker:behavior that's causing this person such distress. And
Speaker:it's not about managing those behaviors. It's looking at the root
Speaker:causes, who have gone through significant loss
Speaker:or trauma, neglect. I would go further than that. I
Speaker:utilize it actually in how I negotiate with government or how I
Speaker:sit at the table with pastors. Those that are actually have
Speaker:fear responses, I'm like, k. What's going behind that behavior?
Speaker:The way people are are behaving, how do I connect with
Speaker:them? How do I relationally connect? Because Care Impact is all
Speaker:about breaking relational poverty across these sectors.
Speaker:And so we have to learn how do we connect before
Speaker:we bring, some possible solutions, direction,
Speaker:and supports into those areas. Because it's not just about fixing
Speaker:people, it's about connecting with people, and there's actually healing.
Speaker:And it's beautiful that it's it's when science catches up with
Speaker:God. There's a lot of neuroscience involved with TBRI,
Speaker:but it's all biblically based, and it's something that,
Speaker:is changing families. It's changing social systems. I I have
Speaker:asks from social services if we can bring some training
Speaker:in this nature. So that's TBRI. You have
Speaker:it. Trust based relational intervention. So,
Speaker:listeners, if you think you might know someone that needs to know what
Speaker:TBRI is, send them this episode and continue to share the
Speaker:podcast. Again, we are on Facebook. We got a Care Impact podcast
Speaker:group if you wanna go on there and get the latest updates. And maybe you
Speaker:have a word you wanna add add to this Care Lingo segment or
Speaker:whatever else, join our community there. And I think that's
Speaker:it, Wendy. We will see you next week. Later. Thank you for
Speaker:joining us on Journey with Care. To get more information on weekly
Speaker:episodes, upcoming opportunities, or to connect with our
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